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Poster: Gyvrix Date: Jan 28, 2003 9:40am
Forum: macromedia Subject: Re: proposal for CD-ROM archive - comments?

You have one of your facts completely wrong and since I didn't see that someone has already corrected you I feel I should because it deals with the .bin/.cue format which is used quite often and effectively for software distribution as long as the image maker knows what they are doing which I'm sure archive.org will and degradation should not be a problem on the 2nd or 3rd generation to be sure while users will be downloading and burning a 2nd generation copy.

The .bin/.cue format DOES NOT have to be burned to use. It can easily be mounted using the free software daemon tools (www.daemon-tools.net) or pay software like Alcohol 120% or a person who has a free copy of Nero (as I recieved with my last 2 cd burners) can "burn" the .bin/.cue to a nero image file .nrg on their hard drive and mount that with the free nero virtual cd drive.

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Poster: festering leper Date: Jan 28, 2003 10:08am
Forum: macromedia Subject: Re: proposal for CD-ROM archive - comments?

i appreciate you bringing your points to this discussion. you are correct in what you say about the bin/cue format being useful without necessarily being burned. i use one of the tools mentionned (daemon tools, great software :) ) and have used it to pull files out or convert to other images types before burning. i guess what i was trying to get across in my first post was the fact that burning a bin/cue isn't the risky part, it's the "ripping" or making the image from the original cd. if there are subtle errors present in the data stream they won't be apparent until someone either burns it or mounts it with a virtual cd program.

i've been noticing raw-mode problems more lately and it got me wondering if drive manufacturers, who try to cater to everyone they can, are making cdr/w drives with larger and less tested featuresets ("we'll put a flash update later, if we hear from people on problem 'x', this drive's gotta ship now")

one of my drives (sony crx-175e) can't make a raw-mode copy of my windows xp disk without corruption but can rip audio cd's with EAC just fine :/ i'm not aware on any protection on the original media and dumping the track in iso format works flawlessly every time from the same disk. the files in question are 2 small *.cat files buried in a deep subdirectory. they copy off the disk just fine but the contents are corrupt. another instance was a few friends and i have been doing work on bootable recovery cdroms and i've gotten a couple of raw-mode image files from one of them that had corrupt files but the problem went away if the same disk was extracted to an iso. i haven't trusted the bin/cue format much since then. i know the bin/cue format itself is not flawed or directly to blame for what i've experienced, but it's not very robust either.

a lot of people don't know what can happen and that's the only reason i brought it up, because of personal experience with it. i'd hate for the people here to image a pile of disks and notice subtle problems later :(

i've seen drivers floating around the net that allow one to write a cd in mode2 and put data on it. not me :)

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Poster: Wendell Date: Jan 28, 2003 12:51pm
Forum: macromedia Subject: Re: proposal for CD-ROM archive - comments?

CDRWIN, the original program used to create BIN/CUE files, actually has a very decent error-checking system in place, and will, optionally, continually read over "bad" sections in order to find the correct bits.


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